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There's a noisy debate going on in the comments on both Slog and KOMO regarding the cops and lethal versus non-lethal actions.
As you probably know by now, 22-year-old UW senior Miles Murphy and his friends were reported by neighbors to have been firing a rifle and a shotgun in the alley behind their house. Police responded to calls of shots fired. The men ran when police arrived and then, during a house-to-house search, Murphy came out the front door carrying a "military-style infantry rifle with a large bayonet on the end." Murphy reportedly ignored demands that he drop the weapon, aimed the gun in the officer's direction and was then shot by Seattle police. Just hours after the clock turned to 2009, he died of his wounds.
Much has been said about the fact that Murphy was wearing a Nazi uniform at the time of the incident, but friends and coworkers have recently come forward, explaining that he was simply a history buff with "goofy hobbies." He collected military uniforms and enjoyed reenacting historic battles.
Clothing and hobbies aside, this young man is dead because he made a stupid move. And what a lot of people don't understand, is that there is another man who is very likely grief-stricken because he pulled the trigger that ended Murphy's life. Cops don't want to kill people. They don't sign up for the job hoping to shoot someone someday.
The comments on both Slog and KOMO (and probably other sites) run from the extremely ignorant (via KOMO):
the policemen never saw him shoot one shot. this is murder, plain and simple
to the hyper-paranoid (via KOMO):
"Allegedly".
There are numerous incidents in this area alone of cops murdering innocent people.
Wait for the video evidence to be released. Everyone will know with certainty what happened. OTOH, if the video is not released, then once again the police have lied and will have added another murder to their list.
to the completely naive (via Slog):
what's a cop to do?
how about try not to shoot first when they see a youth playing with guns as toys.
since we weren't there it is difficult to say. but anyone -- ANYONE -- needs to be given an opportunity to drop the weapon.
since this kid was not crazy, i'm wondering if he was given that opportunity.
what's a cop to do? give that opportunity.
The shooting is still under investigation, so we'll eventually find out for sure whether or not Murphy did in fact raise the gun toward the officers. Police, however, generally don't make this stuff up. We don't live in a gritty cop drama wherein corrupt cops all cover for one another after a bad shooting. In a little place called Real Life, Seattle Police responded to shots being fired in an alleyway. A man with a rifle came out of a house. That man not only refused to put down his weapon, but in all likelihood, he also raised the weapon and aimed it at the officers, leaving them no choice but to react.
There are also comments arguing for the use of non-lethal means of putting this man down. The naivete of comments like these is amazing. But that is what the internet is for, we suppose. A forum for people to mouth off about things they know nothing about.
It is a tragedy all around. It is a tragedy for the friends and family of this young man who made a fatal mistake. It is a tragedy for the officer or officers responsible for his death.
We know cops. We know one in particular who has gone through this. We can tell you with complete certainty that the officers involved in this shooting are going through some extremely difficult shit right now.
But if their account of what happened is true, then they did everything right.
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Whatever the truth is, this is a terribly sad event. Though I didn't know him, I can completely picture the guy - just a fun-loving but odd young man, perhaps having a few beers, when he runs into police and probably makes a stupid or accidental move. Maybe he didn't even realize they were actually police.
I'm sure this isn't easy at all for the police. It couldn't have happened in a city where police don't carry guns, but then we don't live in such a city. And I have no doubt that the officers felt their lives were in danger.
When it comes down to it, the kid was being stupid. I'm sure he was smart enough to realize shooting guns in an alley for fun is going to attract police, and opening the door with rifle in hand is not the best way to greet those police. Giving the police the benefit of the doubt, I think they did the right thing. I'm sure the police were not trying to kill the kid but rather incapacitate him, and I don't think any non lethal weapons save rubber bullets and bean bags (which riot police are usually the only ones carrying) would've been a better option.
Rule #1: if the cops show up at your house, for whatever reason, it is not a good idea to greet them wearing an old military uniform.
Rule #2: should you unavoidably happen to be wearing an old military uniform at any rate, do not, under any circumstances, add fuel to the fire by holding an object that might be construed as a weapon, least of all an actual weapon.
There's no reason to suggest that the suspect raised his firearm and took aim at the cops except to obfuscate the story as we know it. If the point is that we shouldn't jump to conclusions about whether the action was justified because we don't know all the facts, then it's generally best to withhold moral judgment either way until more details are reported. Sadly, the real problem is that before the internal investigation is completed, we will all have moved on to the next big story.
As far as the empirical statement about not having a self-preserving police force, that is patently false. The law ALWAYS gives police officers the benefit of the doubt and an ambiguous question of appropriateness will always favor the police. There is no conspiracy there, though. That's just based on a policy decision that the police cannot function properly if they are fully accountable for their actions to the same degree that ordinary citizens are. I think if more people realized that, we'd hear less cover-up conspiracy theories, but perhaps also become more skeptical of police accounts.
However, for me, this one isn't a tough question. If you're brazenly brandishing a firearm in the middle of the city and you get shot by police officers who cannot easily discern your intentions, it's not a huge stain on the reputation of the SPD. I can't identify the duty that they owed this kid and failed to provide him.
While it's unfortunate that this kid got shot, it could have been avoided by using a little common sense. Don't point a gun at a cop (if that's really what he did). The cop WILL shoot you, as well he should. How would the cop know that this guy wasn't just going to randomly start shooting people, that's fairly common these days. It's incredibly foolish to even put yourself in that situation. That being said, it's a sad story....
@1: Not all London police carry firearms, but some do. And you can be sure that those responding to an incident involving a man dressed in military uniform and carrying a rifle are well-armed.
Quoth the KOMO commenter: "the policemen never saw him shoot one shot."
What, the cops are supposed to wait until you actually put a bullet into someone before they can try to stop you? That's not an idea that appeals to me. And unfortunately, at present, there exists only one class of weapon that can reliably incapacitate a man with a gun before he can use it, and that is other guns.
Kudos to Seattlest for taking the sensible attitude to this incident. It is a tragedy, yes, but at first blush I'm definitely inclined to think it was caused by Mr. Murphy acting in stupidly inappropriate fashion with a firearm. I also suspect he'd had more than just "a few beers." That said, if I intend to have even a few beers, I make sure my guns are all securely locked away first (in my gun safe, with cable or internal locks which require small fiddly keys that are difficult to use when inebriated). Guns and alcohol: bad combination.
Say, Matt @ [1], does the name Jean-Charles de Menezes mean anything to you? The police who, according to you, "don't carry guns" shot him eight times at extremely close range, of which seven times in the head, and he wasn't even brandishing a weapon.