In Case You Missed It, Hillary's Back

Exactly! He is ideal VP material. Hell, even if next election cycle he wants to run against Clinton that'd be awesome.

I think the last time that happened was... late 1800's? Anyone? Any U.S. History buff?

GO HILLARY! If Obama truly cared about the country, he would realize he is ideal VP material. Let him gain some real experience and then become president. They should be on the same ticket. Plain and simple!

I have a feeling that most people (who are politically minded and worth discussing Clinton with) who are in the ABC (Anything But Clinton) camp are simply there because they are dis-enchanted with the system.

So they go to Obama who sits slightly outside of the system. This may be cynical from an ex-political student, but people- just like trying to run a huge corporation with a conscious (even Google is going bad)- entering into the political sphere thinking your high hopes will remain intact is walking blind into a firestorm.

The system is the way it is for a reason, and no amount of ambitious hope can fix it from the inside. (not that hope can't fix it, but it'd take a huge revolution, not a President.) Obama will either get eaten by the system or assimilate and nothing will get done.

Yeah, Clinton is a bitch. Yeah, Clinton is a politician. But you know what? That's what Washington D.C. is. A town of bitches, assholes and politicians. They all get corrupt sooner or later.

Except Dennis. He stays true (and yet, no support? seems to me people want change, but only if they think the people around them do too).

That people hate Hillary is hardly just a media fixation. I see it firsthand -- chiefly amongst my political-junkie friends, who bristle at her centrist, pandering politics. The sense I get from them is that they hate that it appears she'd do anything for the nomination (oft-cited: sue Texas; try to get a state where Obama wasn't even on the ballot seated at the convention; endorse McCain over a fellow democrat; use FUD on the voting populace; passive imply that Obama may be a Muslim). At least one of them has already stated that he'll vote Nader if Hillary gets the nomination.

Personally, I just want this all to be over with . . .

All of this media fixation on Clinton hate, as well as Obama naivetee, is partially why I switched my undecided vote to Hillary at the last minute. Bush was hated and he managed to win just fine.

I'd bet dollars to donuts that for every Clinton hater out there there is an otherwise reasonable white person who will not vote for Obama for the sole reason that he is black. This includes a frightening amount of Democratic voters who just won't admit it publicly.

I'll vote for whoever comes out on top over McCain. It won't be an easy election, though, for either one. Obama supporters who think he has a better shot just because he is not named Clinton and has golden rays of hope backlighting him are naive.

Hillary's negatives (~50% of Americans dislike her) guarantee she can't win in the general election. Leave it to the Dems to fuck up what should be a sure thing.

Charles, that is sad but true. But it can also be said that a black man named Hussein Obama will turn those same people off.

There are tons of people who hate the Clintons on principle, who would never in a million years vote for a Democrat, no matter who it is. It's been reported that Obama's claim that he's getting tons of Republicans voting for him is an exaggeration, and that, in any election, there's some party cross-over (i.e. all the democrats who voted for Bush last time). So that logic is kind of empty, too.

Hillary's won all the big states but Illinois (which she'd have locked up in the generals, anyway), most of the rural, blue-collar votes that Obama just can't consistently attract. It remains to be seen whether she can still lock up the nomination, but if/when she does, her naming Obama as her VP is definitely not out of the question.

There are real reasons to pull for Obama, and none of them have anything to do with some media-perpetuated bs about people "HATING" Hillary. That's only as true as we, the voters with the power of choosing our next president, allow it to be.

The true measure of Hillary's win will be how many more delegates she gets over Barack. Her wins just weren't big enough to make a dent in Obama's lead.

Hillary as the Dem nominee opens up the entire race because people HATE her. (I don't. I think she's fine and would vote her even though I prefer Obama.)

The thing is folks, her last name is Clinton and she's a woman and for a whole hell of a lot of people, those two things combined make her their sworn enemy.

Hillary will have a bear of time getting past all the Clinton-hating garbage out there if she gets nominated and I would not be surprised if McCain can beat her here and elsewhere. He's a fuck, supports W's war and is old and white, but he's also Old, White and a Man. All reasons for many people to vote for him against a woman named Clinton.

Sad but true

McCain wasn't good enough to beat the misreable Dubya 7 years ago and since then he's agreed with every mistake Bush made (Iraq) and we're supposed to believe he's gotten smarter or better?

If the Dems can't ANIHILATE McCain with the litany of established mistakes he's endorsed than they don't deserve to run the country.

Kim- as a commenter on steroids, do not feel alone. Hillary is my choice.

Stay tuned for post lunch discussion on my blog about this very topic.