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November 9, 2006

Seattlest Interviews an Anti-Lap-Dance Stripper

do-not-touch.gifMonday, after posting our pro-lap dance response to Susan Paynter's PI column, we received an email from an anonymous local stripper:

I just read your defense of your right to make women touch you sexually for pay and was wondering:

1. How does intimate sexual touching for payment not equal prostitution unless you're going by a very narrow, fundamentalist penis-in-vagina definition of sex?

2. Why can't you just be happy looking at us beautiful ladies without making us have to touch your old, skanky, often-smelly manselves to pay our rent?

Strippers really hate the rise in lapdances and private room experiences that johns like you are increasingly demanding from us to have your 'fun'. If imposing a four-foot rule keeps me from having one more asshole lick me, bite me, jam his fingers into me, rip my costume or otherwise act like an entitled fuckface, then four-foot rule it is. Asking you little boys nicely to stop hasn't been working, and the last time I complained the manager laughed in my face and said, "You don't have to work here, lots of girls will be happy to take a finger up the ass for what you're getting paid."

Not prostitution? My ass. Literally.

We responded:
I'm not, personally, interested in making anyone do anything to me, though I realize that many, many johns are. Biting, licking, costume ripping? Not cool. Looking at sexy women? Love it. Talking to them? Awesome. Trying to cajole them into bending the rules a little bit just for me? Not cool. And I think it really sucks that management not only doesn't back you up, but encourages people to break the rules.

Would you be interested in an interview, post-election? As a fellow Seattlest writer put it, most strippers who say anything don't like the four-foot rule. I'd love to get your comments -- anonymously, of course -- and thoughts on the issue.

She responded:
"Looking at sexy women? Love it. Talking to them? Awesome."

There are sexy women to look at and talk with everywhere you turn in this city. I don't believe you go to strip clubs to look at sexy women or talk with sexy women, I think you go for the same reason other men go, because we're a captive audience FORCED to smile and nod and defer to your nasty wants because you're paying us to submit to your idea of what what interactions with sexy women should be. Like you say, men talk "to" strippers, but they don't talk "with" them. Our responses to men's banal banter are stock answers pulled from the strippers' survival guide.

You make us get naked as animals, a vulnerable feeling when surrounded by fully-clothed drunk/drugged men, then make us paint our faces and dance like monkeys for your money not because you respect us and admire looking at and talking with sexy women but because the real sexy women Seattle drips with aren't obligated to pay you any attention, smile at your stupid jokes, or pretend you don't make us want to vomit while bumping our cunts into your stiffies til you cream your pants. Real sexy women have thoughts of their own, sexual desires of their own and the ability to say no, and that's inconvenient for johns who assume their God-given right to access women's bodies 24-hours a day.

"most strippers who say anything don't like the four-foot rule."

What about the ones who don't say anything because the repurcussions destroy our ability to feed ourselves and our drug habits? 99% of us are addicted to drugs cause it numbs the pain of being treated like semen spitoon targets. I did some digging around for an LA Times article I'd once read that shows how managers pit 'house hoes' against independent workers like myself and most strippers to increase profits because the more men get away with rubbing their sticky fingers over us the more they pay (guilt money?)

If I could be kept anonymous I will answer some questions. I want out of this biz sooooo fucking bad but until I can escape I'll need to stay anonymous or I'll have a hard time finding work.

Our interview:

Which club do you work at? Are the working conditions there different from the other clubs in town?

I'd rather not give specifics. I've worked in clubs throughout the west bouncing between Seattle and Portland in recent years, staying for stints here and there as the seasons changed. Seattle is a little better because Portland's scene is so saturated it's really a bend over for a buck town. I was in Salem, Oregon through most of the summer.

How did you get started as a stripper, and how long have you been doing it? How do you think the rules would have changed your job?

The way most of us get here, being poor and pretty. Being molested by my paternal grandfather from 13 to 16 when I ran way to San Diego and married a teen military boy who abused me til I left him had assloads to do with it. I began stripping at 16.

For the second part, it's about men not having the right to assault me when they get drunk enough to try and use it as an excuse and the boys around them egging their buddy's weak-willed self on. You never answered me why you think you have a right to make naked women sit on your lap and rub your stiff dick against our legs like a dog humps. Looking at and talking to pretty women, the excuse you gave, has nothing to do with lapdancing and four-foot rules you know.

Given that you really, really seem to hate stripping, why are you still doing it?

Who's gonna pay me $100-$300 an hour to wash their laundry, work at Carl's Jr., cashier for a convenience store, sell coffee, babysit kids, or anything else that doesn't involve sticking my bouncing breasts and little-girl shaved genitals in men's faces? Men have a real racket going on. Those of us "lucky" enough to be fuckably hot can submit ourselves sexually to men for sacks of cash no ugly or fat women will be offered for working at Wal-Mart or anywhere else. Minimum wage is the best offered to ugly girls without a high school degree (hard to study with Poppy's dick in me afterschool. GEDs are shit), but I won the genetic lottery and with it what comes behind male-dominated door #2. Surprise!

Or why haven't you gone to work at the Lusty Lady (no touching) or a suburban club (four-foot rules in effect)?

Why don't men keep their fucking hands, tongues, teeth, and cocks to themselves when I'm dancing naked in front of them without needing a thick glass wall like LL's separating them? Why do you think the first and only unionized strip club has a no touching policy, a policy that's no different in spirit than the four-foot rules you seem to think are unreasonable? When strippers can get themselves off men's laps without suffering cosequences, they do. Reread the LA Times article for more proof that true empowerment for strippers means less touching/prostitution. Here's a study I found done on lapdancing clubs in the UK that says what I'm saying but better.

When I was younger (6-8 years ago) I worked clubs with more strict rules, but even then they weren't too strict cause I started illegally at 16. I've seen a dramatic increase in lapdancing and private rooms in clubs in that time as well as an increase in the amount of touching/prostitution men expect.

Do you think Seattle clubs are much better or worse than clubs in other major cities?

Covered in #1. Portland's worse but more varied so you can get a real shitty engagement or a good one if you're really pretty and willing to let men do more shit to you.

Most newspaper articles about Referendum 1 quoted strippers who wantedthe new rules voted down because they thought they'd lose money.

Duh. Most newspapers are run by men much like yourself, not unlike the whole damn world.

You've said strippers hate lap dances and private rooms, though. Do you think strippers opposed to the four-foot rule are lying, or is opinion not really that unanimous on either side of the debate?

It's rather rude baiting to suggest I think strippers are lying when they don't oppose the proposed rules. Seems you can't understand how strippers can both hate lapdancing and love the money it brings. Deoderizing from a stinky lapdance experience isn't pleasant but the $$$$ sure as hell is. Again I'd ask you to think about why the only unionized strip club of about 10,000 strip clubs in the USA has a barrier-enforced no touching rule. Don't forget to muse hard on why the [owners of a strip club] are making a lot more money than the LL because they let the johns in their clubs get away with everything, including rape in the private rooms. After one raped stripper came forward the [owners of the club] made a t-shirt saying "What happens at [this strip club] stays at [this strip club]" pretty much telling men then can get away with raping strippers in their clubs and they'll pretend they didn't see anything.

This whole industry is one big pretending. Johns pretending strippers really like them despite the bills prying compliance out of us and strippers pretending they don't despise the johns as much as they really do.

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Good lord she's bitter about people paying her money to do a job that she chooses to do because she implicitly thinks she can do no better.

It's really hard to have sympathy for such a self-loathing person.

 

Nice interview. It shows how dark the world of strippers can be. Specially the last answer...

 

What a loathsome individual. It's obviously worth the $100-$300 an hour to have herself abused because she keeps doing it.

 

This was a really interesting piece. It's simple to say that if she hates the job so much she should quit, and I don't want to say that she's not responsible for her own choices and actions, but I also have to say that of course she doesn't believe she can do better. Where are the examples of that happening? Where are the support systems for getting out? There are some, but clearly not where she will find them or believe them. Women are responsible for choosing to not believe or live by the sexist bullshit we get fed all our lives, but that doesn't mean that it's easy to get out of that mindset or that it isn't a bigger problem that it is pushed on us in the first place.

I guess all that rambling is just to say - there's more than one angle to look at this from, and all are valuable.

 

What an utter load of crap.

You make us get naked as animals

and yet

99% of us are addicted to drugs

How about taking some responsibility for yourself? How about you stop blaming your grandfather, your upbringing, your hard, hard life and do something about your situation or stfu?

And the conceit! You think you won the genetic lottery? You consider yourself fuckably hot? Sweetie, there's nothing unsexier than a bitter, blown-out tramp who blames everyone else for her shortcomings and stupidity.

If she weren't so pitiful, I would find this more offensive. As it stands, it's simply tiresome.

 

You make 100 to 300 bucks an hour? I think you should shut the fuck up and ride the dick like a good girl, or quit the business and go legit making far less. Either way, shut the fuck up.

Every single person alive that I know makes less than you. If you don't like the cash, stop showing your tits. Your pay exists at MY pleasure, not the other way around.

 

I'm with the strippers boss on this one. If you don't like the biz, get out of it. Obviously you think you're pretty hot shit and you deserve the ass loads of money you get for having no other skills than looking decent and having having no qualms about showing off your goods for the money. Welcome to reality. Hot chicks are a dime a dozen. If you think you're so goddamn hot and deserving of money without having to deal with jerks, I guess you better try to give it a go in a magazine.

Then again, I'm sure that biz is much more competitive and you won't get nearly as much money for it. That's what you gotta deal with if you want the big bucks. So shut your mouth, shake your assets and grind on some old smelly cocks cuz if you want stripper money, that's the deal.

Besides. Do you think you'd be making nearly as much as you do now if you aren't up close and personal enough to stroke the money our of his roll? As for me, I'm staying home and watching my damaged females on video. At least they aren't bugging me for a lap dance every 30 seconds.

 

if you weren't stripping, what would you be doing instead? i know, read above, yadda yadda yadda. but there are industries where a person can make loads more money that stripping. for example, you seem to be educated, and highly intelligent. in all honesty, you seem like you could do anything!

 

You get naked like an animal. We pay you gratefully for doing so. No one has a gun to your head saying "You must get naked" You just think you're too good to be making 7.50 an hour at burger king so you undress dance around flash your bits and get dollars showered down. As for the lapdances I've never paid for one and I never will.

You need to realize you're the one that subject yourself to these conditions not men. You don't like it go work at JC Penny's or McDonalds. Otherwise STFU.

 

BOOO Frikin Hoooo..

It seems that little bitter (your all pigs, but please pay to look at me) has 2 choices.

1. Stop working as a stripper. I feel so bad for you that you can't find another job that pays 100-300$ an hour. OH wait you can... its called a doctor, or wait any number of other real jobs that require more than looks.

2. STFU and make as much money as you can. As far as I know there is no retirement plan for strippers! AKA no old strippers!

 

You can't expect anyone to respect you if you don't respect yourself. I'm not saying what men do is right. I'm saying what you do is wrong. You're taking the easy way out to get a 300$ an hour job rather then hard work, studying, or dedication. When you take shortcuts like this through life you inevitably pay consequences such as the dirtbags of society abusing you as you claim. (I say claim because I have never seen a strip club where the bouncer will allow the type of activity you claim and I live in Portland.)

I also have serious suspicions that this supposed "stripper" is fraudulent and is probably a church affiliated spokesman.

My 2 bits.

 

So, the consensus on Fark (fark.com) is that this interview has never taken place, the interviewee (lol) is not a stripper but a man-hating feminist.

to quote:
"I think this is a put on. It's like the woman is just one big giant stripper cliche. Molestation - check. Abusive husband - check. Talk of supporting drug habits - check. Started stripping underage as a naive and impressionable young girl - check. Constantly physically abused at her job - check." (TwistedFark, 2006-11-10)

I tend to agree with this point of view. For further embarrassment please read:

http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?IDLink=2406324

Thanx!
:)

 

My. God.

Is this woman serious? I don't think there's anything more obnoxious than a self entitled stripper with a victim complex.

Where else can a woman with no marketable skills make 100-300 dollars? MEN have a real racket going on?

Where could a MAN with no experience or job skills go to make that kind of money? Maybe, just maybe he could make it as a drug dealer. Let me break this down for you. This is supply and demand. Many men enjoy looking at and groping naked women. Many women do not like this. This is why stripping pays so well. Now listen very carefully, because this is the important part. You are not entitled to make $200 an hour. You are lucky you have the opportunity to do so. Nobody is forcing you to strip. You are merely too greedy to stop. If you hate it so much, you can quit and see what it's like to be a broke man with no prospects; go get a job flipping burgers for minimum wage. But you don't want to do that. Know that expression about having your cake and eating it too? Tailor made for this situation. You think men are going to pay $30 to wiggle your hips around four feet away? Keep dreaming. Quit giving lap dances, and see what happens.

Stop whining about your extremely high paying job.

Either quit and get a real job, or shut up and get back to work.

 

What the hell? What the hell is this woman talking about? If you don't like doing lap-dances then don't be a freakin stripper! It's like complaining about having to serve ice cream when you work in an ice cream shop!

Horny men go to strip clubs in order to be titillated by attractive women. That is the fact of the matter. If you hate it, don't do it. Trying to turn it into an argument against lap-dances is ridiculous.

 

I totally agree with this article.
Stripping joints are just another method of woman degradation by our male counterparts.

 

Wow. Interesting, but with the way she kept getting so upset I would have just said very plainly: "Obviously you like the money, but if it's so bad, stop doing it."

I mean, how much more pissed off could she be before she does something about it? She's unhappy, but she can easily fix it by quitting.

It comes down to what’s more important to her, the money or her pride? She's obviously made her choice.

 

No other job that only requires a pulse and proof of age will pay her that well. If she's so sick of this life she should concentrate on getting an education and get out of there. I have no sympathy for this woman because no one is forcing her to do anything. A majority of the people in this world need to actually work hard to make a good living, maybe she should try it.

 

Was a stripper. Everything this woman says is true.

 

Never seen such self-righteousness in sometime. Note to stripper, use that 100-300 an hour and get a fricking education, dont spend it on drugs. And until then, dont whine. Your destiny is in your own hands.

 

You can't say that you're so unhappy and incensed about what you're 'forced to do' and claim that the money itself forces you to do it. This is a circular explanation and is, on its face, both illogical and indefensible.

You have a choice to strip, lapdance, and go further. You have a choice to accept money for these acts.

IF you are so upset by these circumstances, then suck it up and get a different job. While your childhood wasn't a fairytale, there are plenty of people making good money who were in the same situation - and don't take their clothes off for a buck.

 

you know, for a stripper, she sure hates stripping. All I see is, stripping sucks I hate it, but the money is better and I can do this because I am hot, so will keep stripping. I don't feel bad for this girl at all. Like her manager says, " lots of girls will take a finger in the ass for the knid of money your making", probally true, and it kinda comes with the territory. If you want to strip, to make money by being the object of men's desire and shaking your naked ass on the stage in front of a bunch of truck drivers after work, then you are going to have to deal with the lude, crude and inappropraite. I mean you are getting paid to take your clothes off, what did you think would happen? I really have no empathy for her in this situatution. You don't wanna get groped? Then get out of the strip club and go make 8 bucks and hour with the "ugly chicks" at Walmart.

 

It is sad that she has been through so much, but we run a free market economy and yes stripping falls under the rules of that economy. People are only willing to pay so much for a certain service. Paying the same amount for a dance 4 feet away, as opposed to a lap dance would be like paying the MSRP for a Ferrari and getting a KIA, it just doesn't work that way because the two services are not monetarily equal. No one is forcing her to work in this field, if she dis-likes it as much as she makes it out to be then she should curb her spending, and get a different job. Or she could just not offer lapdances, take the cut in money and stop trying to ruin the lapdance as a viable way for other women to make a substantial sum of money,women who don't seem to loathe themselves or their jobs near as much. The 4 foot rule honestly is not going to do anything but force many dancers to take a drastic cut in income. At the risk of using a cliche. You cant have your cake and eat it too.

On a side note, the dancer being interviewed sincerely seems like a feminist pretending to be a dancer in order to project her views into body that will be (as she sees) taken more seriously, but the loathe and self-hate, and non-chalant use of several occurrences in her life (molested as a child, abused by a husband (notably a "macho" military man), Starting her dancing career underage. These are all things that kind of tip off one to the fact she may not be a real dancer. Also the aggressive attacking man-hating tone she takes is at odds with the persona she is trying to create. Simply put a drug addicted beaten molested and abused stripper who is too weak to stop stripping because she cant resist the money it pulls in (presumably for drugs?.) Does not come out and attack her source of income, especially in such an aggressive manner.

 

"You make us get naked as animals, a vulnerable feeling when surrounded by fully-clothed drunk/drugged men,..." Oh yeah, forced ya at dollarpoint didn't they. Join a convent and cover up and see if the pay matches what ya get now.

 

To the woman who interviewed for this article: you are the captain of your soul. If you don't want to play the lapdance game, then don't work at a place that gives lapdances. If you don't want to strip, then don't strip. Some women enjoy it (I personally know some dancers).

Using the "who's going to pay me $xxx/hr" excuse doesn't fly. It sounds to me like you're addicted to or unwilling to give up the lifestyle that your career has given you. It's not the john's fault, that's your own. So, you love the money you get from work, but have the work? Hello, welcome to the American Dream. You *can* merely survive off of a minimum wage job at Walmart. If you want more than that, then again - that's your fault, and not your johns'.

And the bad childhood excuse doesn't fly either. When I was 6 years old my dad held a gun to my head and threatened to pull the trigger if I didn't do x, y & z for him. He threatened to kill my mother & sister in front of me. I didn't turn into a meth-addled male prostitute because of it. I worked hard despite it, believed in myself, and made it through school to have a career. Don't get me wrong, I feel some empathy for the position you were in when you were younger. But you're not young anymore, and I doubt (although you're unclear about it...) your Dad is still poking you on a regular basis.

Time to live your life the way you see fit and stop being a victim. You are the captain of your soul - steer the ship, don't merely be along for the ride. And if you let other steer it for you, then don't blame male-kind for your demise - blame yourself.

 

have the work == hate the work*

 

Throughout the article, she refers to men "making" her do things. No one's making her do anything, she is addicted to the money she makes and blames the men for it. If she doesn't like what she does, she should get another job. If you don't want to be treated like a cum dumpster, DON'T GET A JOB AS ONE!

 

I once had a young woman randomly walk up to me and boast that she'd made $400 per day. Sizing her up, I replied that I make $1500 per day, and I don't have to take my clothes off. She went from upturned nose to dropped jaw. I said it to jolt her brain and make her open her eyes to possibilities. Two of the oldest and highest paying professions do not require a high school diploma (or GED). One is prostitution (which stripping in any form essentially is). The other is sales.

 

you already said it. "because the real sexy women" your not real or proper, your a slum who has no self respect, you choose the easy way out and disregard your habits and blame them on past experiences. yet you complain about old evil men touching you. however i already know how dumb you must be, complaining about a place you work at knowing beforehand what life there is like. to the owners your nothing but a dollar. to the customers your nothing but a... well you know. where do you want to see this shining light of glory and be seen as a respectful dancer/model. it wont happen.

 

You're a freakin' stripper. Shut up and give me my lap dance, or get a real job.

 

Oh, come now. It's pretty apparent this the subject of this interview doesn't actually work in the sex industry as a stripper.

She comes off as an angry woman trying to be more convincing on the issue by claiming to be one. She can 'talk the talk' about strippers but can't come up with a reasonable excuse for why she is still in the job she clearly thinks is the worst thing in the universe.

 

"Who's gonna pay me $100-$300 an hour to wash their laundry, work at Carl's Jr., cashier for a convenience store, sell coffee, babysit kids, or anything else that doesn't involve sticking my bouncing breasts and little-girl shaved genitals in men's faces?"

And there it is in a nutshell. You want the money, but you don't like what you have to do to get it. You have a lifestyle that $100 - $300 an hour has afforded you, and you're not willing to change it or give it up.


Minimum wage is the best offered to ugly girls without a high school degree

First the statement about being "fuckably hot" and now this. It's sounding more and more like in your own mind, you believe that you "deserve" to just have someone give you something.

I'm not filled with a whole lot of sympathy here. It sounds like you took the easy way out. You know that you're hot and that guys would respond to that, so you chose a profession to capitalize on that. The question is, what are you doing to get OUT OF this lifestyle? Are you going to school on a serious basis? Are you trying to aquire a technical skill of some kind?

Bottom line:
You buy the ticket, you take the ride.

 

What a wench. If you don't want to be a stripper, then don't. You feel you should get paid 100's of dollars an hour just to be looked at? Are you that special? You sound like you think you're entitled to the good life just because you were born somewhat attractive. Being a stripper is "prostitute-lite" honey, get used to it or quit. I don't go to strip clubs because I don't like being hustled/used by retardedly-manipulative, vacuous, coke-whore lesbos that reek of baby-powder and cheap perfume.

 

If someone isn't comfortable doing what they're paid to do, they can do something else. Lord knows I don't make 1/4th what she seems to make, and if you're getting paid that much without having any extremely valuable skills, then you're going to have to get paid that much by doing something people don't want to do. If men were happy just "looking at (you) beautiful ladies", then why wouldn't they just hang out on the damn street - seeing as how the area is "dripping" with them? Or should local men just hand 20s to beautiful women on the beach, for the privilege of being able to see them. I realize that it's difficult to get into a job that can pay the bills, but considering that difficulty and impossibility, and in doing so considering stripping/lap dances a financial necessity, is illegitimate.

The dangers involved - sexual assault, touching, even rape - are unacceptable, and that many of the managers of these establishments condone them is abhorrent.

Now I'm unsure of the amounts involved in lap dances vs regular dancing, though I am sure that the income generated from lap dances is considerably more. The anonymous stripper (A.S) seems to suggest that it's ridiculous that men want to receive lap dances, and that it's disgusting that strippers are practically forced into this practice, in order to receive the substantial amounts involved. It seems, from her responses, that she believes that the women involved should be paid this substantial amount of money for the customary non-personal stripping. I'm sorry, but I cannot see the legitimate logic in that. Men in these instances are paying for a service which has several levels of effectiveness. It's not a very effective method of debate to use the "I'm not touching you, you're gross, pay me like I am touching you though while I dance over here".

The job is often if not constantly demeaning, but the pay seems to correspond accordingly. For example, if I had a well-paying job wading waist-deep in shit pulling clogs out of a sewer. I might hate the job, I might quit the job, I might suggest that instead I just dump a barrel of drano down there, from a cleaner place. What I wouldn't have the right to do is demand that I should get paid for shit-wading when I just dump the drano in there, because I'm entitled it.

 

I've gone to Seattle's strip clubs, and never once bitten, licked, poked, etc any of the women who work there. Men may be dogs, but there are some out there who just want a little tail shaken at them and they're happy.

On the other hand, the only thing that I can think to say to this worker is... Get another job, you whining, moaning piker.

 

While i'm sure this woman has had some issues in her life (if she's telling the truth), there's one fundamental flaw in her argument.

There ARE other avenues she can explore to make decent money. There are modeling agencies that pay rather well, which require no "hands on" experiences as in a club environment. Perhaps an acting career? The Ring Girl job in boxing? A career in Vegas on the strip, that doesn't require an actual strip? These are things this person hasn't taken into account, or simply doesn't want to think about.

In the end, her post simply makes one think that she's in it for the money. There are alot of people out there that don't have college degrees and make good money, because they are driven to succeed. She could to, but she'd rather take the easy way out and complain, than to get off her half naked butt and do something about it. she's completely responsible for her *current* situation, and she's completely responsible for doing something about it.
And that, as they say, is that.

 

I dont go to strip clubs, so Im not sure what the men are like, and I agree that it must suck hard having to do that for a living, but I have a problem with two things. First, This woman complains about the job, but the fact is she does not hate it enough to get a regular paying job like the rest of us. The amount that she makes is obviously compensating her (emotionally ) enough to outweigh what she has to go through. She is more than welcome to get a job somewhere else. If her only skill is dancing then she could start with an entry level job and learn a skill and eventually move on to management. Or she could take some of the 100 -300 dollars a day and apply it to at vocational school and get out that way.

Second of all, If you are doing this job and you despise the people who pay your bills so much, but are not willing to do something positive about it, That makes you an codependant enabler, and are as guilty of perpetuating the problem as the clientel you serve.

Change is hard. You may have to live at a lower lifestyle than you are used to, but if you really hate it and the men so much you need to leave it. your still young enough to reskill yourself to a diffrent career path. its going to suck hard at first, but if you work hard you can do it. If you wind up coming back into stripping, you need to then suck it up, because YOU made the choice to be there.

 

wow... you should just not strip. you obviously dont like the work, so why be one? id much rather have a stripper thats not a bitch dance 4 feet from me then stick my thumb in anything of yours lol.

bottom line. you dont like it. dont do it and shut the f&*$ up

 

Holy shit stop your fucking whining. You don't like the job? Then fucking quit. Its obvious that you would rather have the money then work a normal job at $6.00 an hour. No one is putting you in this position besides yourself. So suck it up

 

By the way, both Lusty Ladys were no touching way before the SF shop was unionized.

 

Obviously this is a complex issue, but it also seems pretty obvious that until women stop taking the easy way out of a male dominated society, their degraded conditions are never going to change. Sure its not fair to start out life at a disadvantage, but look at the alternative. By agreeing to be a stripper, you are just doing exactly what men want and perpetuating a false reality wherein women are treated like sub-human animals. No matter how much money you're making, its never going to compensate for that. Its not a pleasant thing to acknowledge, but in our sexist society the behavior of strippers affects the perception of all women.

 

Ok women- speak up! This stripper's tale may be true, or not. But what's interesting is that no one (inc. the many people who have posted comments) denies that what she is subjected to tolerate at work is offensive/insulting/demeaning. BUT it's all ok because she chooses to strip and because she is compensated (very well) for it?? No it is not. Men know that this is a horrible way to treat women and rationalize it by the fact that women choose this work and are paid lots of $$ for stripping and more. Still does not make it right.